Friday, February 24, 2012

Wut'sit Box

Grampa stopped by a few days ago. Monday, to be exact. Of course, like most others who visit, he brought some weaponry to play with. For Grampa, it's a renewed interest in things that go BOOM. A rekindling of the joys of shooting. Of being a boy again, of  remembering what it was like in the days before guns were something we used to shoot at others with. (He doesn't talk much about his days with the First Cav, but when he does, he can curl your hair.)

Inyhoo... he also... well, I'll let him tell you...

"You ever seen one of these? Would it be possible to use the internet (he doesn't use computers) to find out something about this?"

And he pulled this out of his jacket pocket... (per usual, emclicken to embiggen)

"I found this at a rummage sale a hundred years ago," he told me. (This put it back in the days before people had to sign their lives away with dotfed/doj just to buy a weapon.) "But no one can tell me who made it or what caliber it is. I took it to  Dick's and he couldn't find anything to fit it, either." (Dick's being the local gunsmith guru, no longer with us, but he was well-known to shooters in the area.)

It has the appearance of an old Smith and Wesson design of its early model Police revolvers. But this one is made in Espana. (It's written on the barrel sans any other markings but serial number.)

Blued steel, four inch barrel and walnut grips, lanyard ring on the lower grip frame, S&W type cylinder release, with a real firing pin. Caliber is in question: somewhere between a .38 and a .308.  (I'm thinking .32- though not a .32 S&W Special- but have no means of measuring the cylinder. Yet.)  The action is very tight, showing a decent quality arms maker but there are milling marks on much of the flat surface. The DA trigger pull is somewhere between the SKS on the low end and pulling a John Deere tractor on the high end.  Single action pull is smooth and crisp, though not on par with the Colt, Smith or Ruger.

There are some rust spots on it that he couldn't get totally removed with cleaning, especially in the bore.

Handling a weapon this old, with obvious signs of use, although not well cared for for years, makes me wonder about its history. Hopefully, it creates a stir in someone here as well, with a few more facts or guesses about it.

Opinions, anyone?

Bless God, God bless.


  1. Maybe a .380 or similar? What's the case length, do you think?
    It is cool, no matter whether you're ever able to shoot it!
    Thanks for sharing! Glad your grandpa had fun shooting, I know I never pass up a chance to spend time with my grandparents! I'm blessed with grandparents who enjoy shooting, though my grandpa on my dad's side is rather frugal and stingy with his ammo, lol! He considers "range time" no more than an hour of plinking and no more than a 50 round box, tops!


  2. it's the wrong side, but the revolver kinda looks like a Colt .32/20 Police Positive like the one pictured here:

    direct link to biggened image:


  3. Brazilian copy of S&W 38 -- NOT 38 S&W spl. 38 S&W of 1900 manf.

  4. I'm guessing Ruby revolver - see if that makes some sense.

  5. .38 Long Colt maybe. I had an Italian revolver that looked similar, but had the caliber stamped on the bbl.

  6. If it's made in Espana, that's Spain. That might narrow your search. I also seem to recall seeing this in the NRA magazine, "American Rifleman" in their "I have this old gun..." section. Maybe they have it in the online archives.

  7. Made by Orbea Hermanos, about 1930.

  8. Thank you, Anon 5:07. Much appreciated. It's a wonderful world when we can all get together and someone knows something of interest to all. I'll search-fu Mr. Hermanos and learn more. Again, thank you.

  9. I have one identical, it's chambered in 32WCF/32-20.


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